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		<title>By: Rob Maguire</title>
		<link>http://webworkerdaily.com/2008/09/22/understanding-online-photo-rights/#comment-311353</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Maguire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 18:04:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A large weekly newspaper in Montreal once used one of my Flickr photos of a spoken word artist to accompany an article they published about her. It appeared both on the web and in the paper, without credit, and without permission.

They never contacted me about it, and it was only coincidence that I noticed the infringement. When I contacted them to ask about it, they were quite rude, blamed the artist, claimed they were within their rights to use the photo, and stubbornly refused to do anything about it other than give me a credit on the website. 

After I persisted they finally agreed to pay me $50; however, I never received the payment. 

I ended up dropping it altogether, as the stress it was causing wasn&#039;t worth it. I typically aren&#039;t bothered by a blog using my photo, and have always freely given permission when asked. But I feel much differently when it&#039;s taken by a commercial newspaper with a budget to pay for photography -- and the experience to know they should.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A large weekly newspaper in Montreal once used one of my Flickr photos of a spoken word artist to accompany an article they published about her. It appeared both on the web and in the paper, without credit, and without permission.</p>
<p>They never contacted me about it, and it was only coincidence that I noticed the infringement. When I contacted them to ask about it, they were quite rude, blamed the artist, claimed they were within their rights to use the photo, and stubbornly refused to do anything about it other than give me a credit on the website. </p>
<p>After I persisted they finally agreed to pay me $50; however, I never received the payment. </p>
<p>I ended up dropping it altogether, as the stress it was causing wasn&#8217;t worth it. I typically aren&#8217;t bothered by a blog using my photo, and have always freely given permission when asked. But I feel much differently when it&#8217;s taken by a commercial newspaper with a budget to pay for photography &#8212; and the experience to know they should.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://webworkerdaily.com/2008/09/22/understanding-online-photo-rights/#comment-309026</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 17:17:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It occurs to me - after reading this again, and some of the responses... what about the statute of limitations?  What about the laws &lt;em&gt;as they existed in 2005&lt;em&gt;?

I wonder if the statute of limitations hadn&#039;t run out, although I&#039;m sure that this was still copyright infringement in 2005.

I was surprised you didn&#039;t understand this as copyright infringement, but then I&#039;ve been tracking so-called &quot;intellectual property&quot; for some time...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It occurs to me &#8211; after reading this again, and some of the responses&#8230; what about the statute of limitations?  What about the laws <em>as they existed in 2005</em><em>?</p>
<p>I wonder if the statute of limitations hadn&#8217;t run out, although I&#8217;m sure that this was still copyright infringement in 2005.</p>
<p>I was surprised you didn&#8217;t understand this as copyright infringement, but then I&#8217;ve been tracking so-called &#8220;intellectual property&#8221; for some time&#8230;</em></p>
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		<title>By: WebWorkerDaily &#187; Archive What To Do When Your Work is Stolen Online &#171;</title>
		<link>http://webworkerdaily.com/2008/09/22/understanding-online-photo-rights/#comment-309022</link>
		<dc:creator>WebWorkerDaily &#187; Archive What To Do When Your Work is Stolen Online &#171;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 16:01:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] had proper knowledge of copyright law when they did it, or it might be an honest mistake (such as what happened to fellow WWD blogger Aliza Sherman a few months back).  Show them the facts and tell them what they need to do to set things [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] had proper knowledge of copyright law when they did it, or it might be an honest mistake (such as what happened to fellow WWD blogger Aliza Sherman a few months back).  Show them the facts and tell them what they need to do to set things [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jessica Chen</title>
		<link>http://webworkerdaily.com/2008/09/22/understanding-online-photo-rights/#comment-307613</link>
		<dc:creator>Jessica Chen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 22:03:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The work allowed on permission makes it possible to actually trade for $ 100,000 forex lot for every $ 1000 invested by you. And less services like the work etc. They look for payment of about 5 to 15 pips in the work that they take.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The work allowed on permission makes it possible to actually trade for $ 100,000 forex lot for every $ 1000 invested by you. And less services like the work etc. They look for payment of about 5 to 15 pips in the work that they take.</p>
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		<title>By: ken kellner</title>
		<link>http://webworkerdaily.com/2008/09/22/understanding-online-photo-rights/#comment-305888</link>
		<dc:creator>ken kellner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 13:13:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what about a password protected educational site designed by middle school students?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what about a password protected educational site designed by middle school students?</p>
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		<title>By: Art In Reality</title>
		<link>http://webworkerdaily.com/2008/09/22/understanding-online-photo-rights/#comment-305821</link>
		<dc:creator>Art In Reality</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 04:01:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a photographer, I have no objection to someone posting a photo they have taken of mine and displaying it somewhere else. That&#039;s why I watermark everything that&#039;s available as a JPG; if you are that concerned about not getting some sort of direct credit or link bank then just put a small watermark in the corner of your photograph. 

Now, if someone were to crop out the watermark I wouldn&#039;t find that good etiquette and would probably find that offensive.

As for bandwidth, if you are starting to lose that much bandwidth then just disable hotlinking in your control panel.

It&#039;s not the viewers responsibility to know the laws and by some intuitive source know whether the photographer finds it &#039;stealing&#039; or exposure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a photographer, I have no objection to someone posting a photo they have taken of mine and displaying it somewhere else. That&#8217;s why I watermark everything that&#8217;s available as a JPG; if you are that concerned about not getting some sort of direct credit or link bank then just put a small watermark in the corner of your photograph. </p>
<p>Now, if someone were to crop out the watermark I wouldn&#8217;t find that good etiquette and would probably find that offensive.</p>
<p>As for bandwidth, if you are starting to lose that much bandwidth then just disable hotlinking in your control panel.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not the viewers responsibility to know the laws and by some intuitive source know whether the photographer finds it &#8217;stealing&#8217; or exposure.</p>
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		<title>By: Spoken Like a Geek &#187; Stories that caught my eye this week &#8211; 27th September 2008</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spoken Like a Geek &#187; Stories that caught my eye this week &#8211; 27th September 2008</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 15:48:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Understanding Online Photo Rights [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Links - September 26, 2008 &#171; Photo Notes: Photography by Patty Hankins and Bill Lawrence</title>
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		<dc:creator>Links - September 26, 2008 &#171; Photo Notes: Photography by Patty Hankins and Bill Lawrence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 07:31:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] WebWorkerDaily has a post on Understanding Online Photo Rights [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Markus</title>
		<link>http://webworkerdaily.com/2008/09/22/understanding-online-photo-rights/#comment-305402</link>
		<dc:creator>Markus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 22:57:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As had been hinted at above, serving the image from the source site doesn&#039;t make the transgression better - it makes it worse.

That&#039;s because the photographer is paying for the bandwidth you are now using.

That&#039;s a double whammy and a very big no-no.

Anyways, I appreciate the writer&#039;s honesty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As had been hinted at above, serving the image from the source site doesn&#8217;t make the transgression better &#8211; it makes it worse.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s because the photographer is paying for the bandwidth you are now using.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s a double whammy and a very big no-no.</p>
<p>Anyways, I appreciate the writer&#8217;s honesty.</p>
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		<title>By: Links-Nachschlag : FWnetz - Feuerwehr im Netz</title>
		<link>http://webworkerdaily.com/2008/09/22/understanding-online-photo-rights/#comment-305337</link>
		<dc:creator>Links-Nachschlag : FWnetz - Feuerwehr im Netz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 11:47:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] einbinden? Hier sind ein Paar interessante Aussagen. Ist zwar USA, hat aber auch eine generelle Gültigkeit hier [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] einbinden? Hier sind ein Paar interessante Aussagen. Ist zwar USA, hat aber auch eine generelle Gültigkeit hier [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Owen</title>
		<link>http://webworkerdaily.com/2008/09/22/understanding-online-photo-rights/#comment-305294</link>
		<dc:creator>Owen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 19:42:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Peter

so what would you do if they just went straight to your ISP/webhost with a DMCA violation request and had you shut down? They are completely within their rights to do that. Using someone else&#039;s content is using someone else&#039;s content.

One of the reasons that people don&#039;t understand the laws about copyright and copying is that they see people just copy stuff and think it must be OK because everyone else does. But it isn&#039;t OK.

Having said all that, I wouldn&#039;t let the valuable versions of my work out on the web for anyone to copy anyway. The smart move is to make a lower res, less valuable version with a small, subtle notice about author/where to get it - the kind of thing people would just leave in - and then encourage copying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Peter</p>
<p>so what would you do if they just went straight to your ISP/webhost with a DMCA violation request and had you shut down? They are completely within their rights to do that. Using someone else&#8217;s content is using someone else&#8217;s content.</p>
<p>One of the reasons that people don&#8217;t understand the laws about copyright and copying is that they see people just copy stuff and think it must be OK because everyone else does. But it isn&#8217;t OK.</p>
<p>Having said all that, I wouldn&#8217;t let the valuable versions of my work out on the web for anyone to copy anyway. The smart move is to make a lower res, less valuable version with a small, subtle notice about author/where to get it &#8211; the kind of thing people would just leave in &#8211; and then encourage copying.</p>
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		<title>By: NotSoShyAnne</title>
		<link>http://webworkerdaily.com/2008/09/22/understanding-online-photo-rights/#comment-305292</link>
		<dc:creator>NotSoShyAnne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 19:14:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi --

I&#039;m a photographer, and yes, of course, I&#039;ve had my copyright infringed in all of the above ways, *plus* someone taking a very distinctive and somewhat well-known photo off of my site and using it in a comment on another site of mine, claiming said photo as their own.  Yes.  Seriously.  This has happened.

If someone takes a photo off of my site and uses it with credit but without permission, I may or may not do anything about it, depending upon the larger context.  The odds are good that I&#039;ll drop a line just to start a friendly dialogue with someone who appears to like my work.  I realize that that might come back to bite me in a legal battle, but there you are.

If someone takes a photo off of my site and uses it without credit or permission, I may ask them to remove it, or give me credit, depending on the context.

If someone HOTLINKS an image off of my site, with or without permission, I will take action.  If it&#039;s someone I know or otherwise don&#039;t want to be mean to, I&#039;ll just ask them to stop doing that.  Otherwise, public humiliation is the order of the day.  I will replace the image in question with something embarrassing for a day or two, then block their IP forever and ever.  Die, hotlinking scum!!!

And if someone takes one of my images and claims it for their own and I find out about it, they can put their head between their legs and kiss their ass goodbye.

Obviously, there&#039;s no way I can know for sure how much piracy of my images goes on below the radar -- plenty, I&#039;m sure.  What&#039;s bizarre is that for the most part, it&#039;s unnecessary.  If someone comes to me, says, &quot;Hey, I like your pictures.  Is it okay if I...?&quot; and gives me credit, the odds are very high that I&#039;ll say yes and we can be friends.  Some people just can&#039;t be bothered, I guess.  Oh well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi &#8211;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a photographer, and yes, of course, I&#8217;ve had my copyright infringed in all of the above ways, *plus* someone taking a very distinctive and somewhat well-known photo off of my site and using it in a comment on another site of mine, claiming said photo as their own.  Yes.  Seriously.  This has happened.</p>
<p>If someone takes a photo off of my site and uses it with credit but without permission, I may or may not do anything about it, depending upon the larger context.  The odds are good that I&#8217;ll drop a line just to start a friendly dialogue with someone who appears to like my work.  I realize that that might come back to bite me in a legal battle, but there you are.</p>
<p>If someone takes a photo off of my site and uses it without credit or permission, I may ask them to remove it, or give me credit, depending on the context.</p>
<p>If someone HOTLINKS an image off of my site, with or without permission, I will take action.  If it&#8217;s someone I know or otherwise don&#8217;t want to be mean to, I&#8217;ll just ask them to stop doing that.  Otherwise, public humiliation is the order of the day.  I will replace the image in question with something embarrassing for a day or two, then block their IP forever and ever.  Die, hotlinking scum!!!</p>
<p>And if someone takes one of my images and claims it for their own and I find out about it, they can put their head between their legs and kiss their ass goodbye.</p>
<p>Obviously, there&#8217;s no way I can know for sure how much piracy of my images goes on below the radar &#8212; plenty, I&#8217;m sure.  What&#8217;s bizarre is that for the most part, it&#8217;s unnecessary.  If someone comes to me, says, &#8220;Hey, I like your pictures.  Is it okay if I&#8230;?&#8221; and gives me credit, the odds are very high that I&#8217;ll say yes and we can be friends.  Some people just can&#8217;t be bothered, I guess.  Oh well.</p>
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		<title>By: Sheri</title>
		<link>http://webworkerdaily.com/2008/09/22/understanding-online-photo-rights/#comment-305276</link>
		<dc:creator>Sheri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 16:16:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even when &quot;laws&quot; seem so easy to understand, there are always gray areas for all of them.  That&#039;s why when there are lawsuits there are clarification of the laws and sometimes multiple opinions from different Judges.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even when &#8220;laws&#8221; seem so easy to understand, there are always gray areas for all of them.  That&#8217;s why when there are lawsuits there are clarification of the laws and sometimes multiple opinions from different Judges.</p>
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		<title>By: mls</title>
		<link>http://webworkerdaily.com/2008/09/22/understanding-online-photo-rights/#comment-305273</link>
		<dc:creator>mls</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 15:57:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Shelane - short answer, yes.

Long answer (IANAL), in the US, anything written is automatically copyrighted. This includes works of literature, photographs, art work, and even computer source code. The CSS file falls into that last category, as does the HTML file, the images used in the design and any JavaScript, etc.

Design by itself cannot be copyrighted, though it can be patented, but that is a different discussion, and it isn&#039;t granted automatically like copyright is.

That said, if you asked multiple people to write a loop in JavaScript that counted from 1 to 10, they would all look very similar. Likewise, a CSS file that does some basic styling to meet a set of written requirements might end up looking more or less the same to the competition&#039;s response to those same requirements.

When working in a limited language set attempting to accomplish the same goals it is inevitable that many similarities will exist. However, that doesn&#039;t grant you license to take the work done by somebody else without their permission.

Luckily in the web design community, many recognize these facts and only require attribution for you to be granted a license to use their copyrighted work. When taking CSS or JavaScript, etc. from a web source for your own use, make sure to understand the license it is granted under before using yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Shelane &#8211; short answer, yes.</p>
<p>Long answer (IANAL), in the US, anything written is automatically copyrighted. This includes works of literature, photographs, art work, and even computer source code. The CSS file falls into that last category, as does the HTML file, the images used in the design and any JavaScript, etc.</p>
<p>Design by itself cannot be copyrighted, though it can be patented, but that is a different discussion, and it isn&#8217;t granted automatically like copyright is.</p>
<p>That said, if you asked multiple people to write a loop in JavaScript that counted from 1 to 10, they would all look very similar. Likewise, a CSS file that does some basic styling to meet a set of written requirements might end up looking more or less the same to the competition&#8217;s response to those same requirements.</p>
<p>When working in a limited language set attempting to accomplish the same goals it is inevitable that many similarities will exist. However, that doesn&#8217;t grant you license to take the work done by somebody else without their permission.</p>
<p>Luckily in the web design community, many recognize these facts and only require attribution for you to be granted a license to use their copyrighted work. When taking CSS or JavaScript, etc. from a web source for your own use, make sure to understand the license it is granted under before using yourself.</p>
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		<title>By: Shelane</title>
		<link>http://webworkerdaily.com/2008/09/22/understanding-online-photo-rights/#comment-305269</link>
		<dc:creator>Shelane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 14:24:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had the question of copyright brought up to me about a design in general - not photographs. So the css file was copied and the same structure used to give it the same look and feel. Is there any copyright with that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had the question of copyright brought up to me about a design in general &#8211; not photographs. So the css file was copied and the same structure used to give it the same look and feel. Is there any copyright with that?</p>
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		<title>By: Aliza Sherman</title>
		<link>http://webworkerdaily.com/2008/09/22/understanding-online-photo-rights/#comment-305241</link>
		<dc:creator>Aliza Sherman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 03:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>web worker - yes, my husband is in government work and in the sciences and has it drilled into him all the time about citations and such. 

When you&#039;re an indy worker isolated on your own, you don&#039;t always get that kind of input.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>web worker &#8211; yes, my husband is in government work and in the sciences and has it drilled into him all the time about citations and such. </p>
<p>When you&#8217;re an indy worker isolated on your own, you don&#8217;t always get that kind of input.</p>
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