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	<title>Comments on: Elance Going Beyond a Job Bid Site</title>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://webworkerdaily.com/2008/08/08/elance-going-beyond-a-job-bid-site/#comment-322304</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 17:29:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some are happy with elance but there are horror stories out there.  Here is a list of some collected from the net.
http://www.medlawplus.com/classaction/elancecomplaints.tpl</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some are happy with elance but there are horror stories out there.  Here is a list of some collected from the net.<br />
<a href="http://www.medlawplus.com/classaction/elancecomplaints.tpl" rel="nofollow">http://www.medlawplus.com/classaction/elancecomplaints.tpl</a></p>
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		<title>By: Top Resources for Finding Work Online</title>
		<link>http://webworkerdaily.com/2008/08/08/elance-going-beyond-a-job-bid-site/#comment-318265</link>
		<dc:creator>Top Resources for Finding Work Online</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 16:01:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] If you&#8217;re looking for freelance work, Elance is a great place to start, as we reported here. Elance now offers an escrow account service to help boost confidence between employers and [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Dyna</title>
		<link>http://webworkerdaily.com/2008/08/08/elance-going-beyond-a-job-bid-site/#comment-317733</link>
		<dc:creator>Dyna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 18:39:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve just started to use the site, so I can&#039;t exactly speak to the process and experience that Elance provides. But in trying to understand how it works and using the Watercooler forums as encouraged I have been shocked by the snarky nature of the responses I&#039;ve seen from other providers. I&#039;m used to posting all sorts of questions in technical forums and getting helpful answers but all the Elance community seems to do is put down the questioner and post flaming, unrelated comments. It&#039;s very strange and immature, often vindictive. So do what you will with the site, but steer clear of the Watercooler or you&#039;ll be attacked!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve just started to use the site, so I can&#8217;t exactly speak to the process and experience that Elance provides. But in trying to understand how it works and using the Watercooler forums as encouraged I have been shocked by the snarky nature of the responses I&#8217;ve seen from other providers. I&#8217;m used to posting all sorts of questions in technical forums and getting helpful answers but all the Elance community seems to do is put down the questioner and post flaming, unrelated comments. It&#8217;s very strange and immature, often vindictive. So do what you will with the site, but steer clear of the Watercooler or you&#8217;ll be attacked!</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Larson</title>
		<link>http://webworkerdaily.com/2008/08/08/elance-going-beyond-a-job-bid-site/#comment-309908</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas Larson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 12:50:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Feedback provided:  Elance has a big problem, you need to pay for everything and their Memberships are not helpful because they are expensive and don&#039;t offer much advantages. A friend suggested me to try GetACoder .com and since then I always get projects there. The fees are not high like in other freelance sites and their Membership offers nice benefits moreover you don&#039;t have a limit of bids to post like on Elance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Feedback provided:  Elance has a big problem, you need to pay for everything and their Memberships are not helpful because they are expensive and don&#8217;t offer much advantages. A friend suggested me to try GetACoder .com and since then I always get projects there. The fees are not high like in other freelance sites and their Membership offers nice benefits moreover you don&#8217;t have a limit of bids to post like on Elance.</p>
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		<title>By: You Are Paid &#187; Outsourcing Sites: Threat or Opportunity?-Entpreprenuers, Small Business Ideas, Make Money Online</title>
		<link>http://webworkerdaily.com/2008/08/08/elance-going-beyond-a-job-bid-site/#comment-309035</link>
		<dc:creator>You Are Paid &#187; Outsourcing Sites: Threat or Opportunity?-Entpreprenuers, Small Business Ideas, Make Money Online</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 19:21:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] outsourcing and crowdsourcing sites in the past - places like 99 Designs for graphics work or Elance for programming and other fields. Generally speaking, it seems that most web workers in our [...]</description>
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		<title>By: WebWorkerDaily &#187; Archive Outsourcing Sites: Threat or Opportunity? &#171;</title>
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		<dc:creator>WebWorkerDaily &#187; Archive Outsourcing Sites: Threat or Opportunity? &#171;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 19:00:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] outsourcing and crowdsourcing sites in the past - places like 99 Designs for graphics work or Elance for programming and other fields. Generally speaking, it seems that most web workers in our [...]</description>
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		<title>By: saad1984</title>
		<link>http://webworkerdaily.com/2008/08/08/elance-going-beyond-a-job-bid-site/#comment-308712</link>
		<dc:creator>saad1984</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:02:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been a elance member for about two weeks now. My first bid got me the job at a low but ok price. Since then i have been trying to get more work but looks like buyer trend is changing now. Buyers seem to be using elance to get an estimate of cost for work by getting the lowest possible bid for the job. I have seen 9 random listings ending without a pick from the buyer even after i went ahead and offered the lowest possible price for the job $50.00 (to create a website with cms).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been a elance member for about two weeks now. My first bid got me the job at a low but ok price. Since then i have been trying to get more work but looks like buyer trend is changing now. Buyers seem to be using elance to get an estimate of cost for work by getting the lowest possible bid for the job. I have seen 9 random listings ending without a pick from the buyer even after i went ahead and offered the lowest possible price for the job $50.00 (to create a website with cms).</p>
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		<title>By: When to Work for Free - Shifting Careers Blog - NYTimes.com</title>
		<link>http://webworkerdaily.com/2008/08/08/elance-going-beyond-a-job-bid-site/#comment-308306</link>
		<dc:creator>When to Work for Free - Shifting Careers Blog - NYTimes.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 01:18:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] bidding sites. Despite their supporters, I&#8217;m not a fan of freelancer job bidding sites, no matter how many bells and whistles they [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] bidding sites. Despite their supporters, I&#8217;m not a fan of freelancer job bidding sites, no matter how many bells and whistles they [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Danut</title>
		<link>http://webworkerdaily.com/2008/08/08/elance-going-beyond-a-job-bid-site/#comment-307806</link>
		<dc:creator>Danut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 03:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m in top 100 on Elance and have to say that sice they changed their subscription plans (and got expensive) I also doubled my income in there.

Just imagine you don&#039;t have to assume the other 80% of the offers at a 10k projects aren&#039;t anymore templated and they buyer gains confidence in your bid.

They are the most professional market, I live from online business and can tell you I haven&#039;t found anything better,

Regards,
Danut
connects.elance.com
www.dcrsolutions.biz</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m in top 100 on Elance and have to say that sice they changed their subscription plans (and got expensive) I also doubled my income in there.</p>
<p>Just imagine you don&#8217;t have to assume the other 80% of the offers at a 10k projects aren&#8217;t anymore templated and they buyer gains confidence in your bid.</p>
<p>They are the most professional market, I live from online business and can tell you I haven&#8217;t found anything better,</p>
<p>Regards,<br />
Danut<br />
connects.elance.com<br />
<a href="http://www.dcrsolutions.biz" rel="nofollow">http://www.dcrsolutions.biz</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sophia</title>
		<link>http://webworkerdaily.com/2008/08/08/elance-going-beyond-a-job-bid-site/#comment-307119</link>
		<dc:creator>Sophia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 09:26:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks rajat.
i have visited marketraise site and found it quite reasonable for hiring virtual employees.

sophia</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks rajat.<br />
i have visited marketraise site and found it quite reasonable for hiring virtual employees.</p>
<p>sophia</p>
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		<title>By: Rajat Dasgupta</title>
		<link>http://webworkerdaily.com/2008/08/08/elance-going-beyond-a-job-bid-site/#comment-305841</link>
		<dc:creator>Rajat Dasgupta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 10:05:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I come across a very good site which provided me a very good result to one of my friend.

He directly hired his own virtual employee from www.marketraise.us company name MarketRaise Corp.

He was provided to Monitor and track your worker and project with our daily tracking and reporting system. Moreover here you get a company which takes responsibility for both parties where as in freelance sites they are just acting as a middle man sites.

I hope that this concept can change the freelance scenario. Hope this helps you in getting your work done.

Regards
Rajat</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I come across a very good site which provided me a very good result to one of my friend.</p>
<p>He directly hired his own virtual employee from <a href="http://www.marketraise.us" rel="nofollow">http://www.marketraise.us</a> company name MarketRaise Corp.</p>
<p>He was provided to Monitor and track your worker and project with our daily tracking and reporting system. Moreover here you get a company which takes responsibility for both parties where as in freelance sites they are just acting as a middle man sites.</p>
<p>I hope that this concept can change the freelance scenario. Hope this helps you in getting your work done.</p>
<p>Regards<br />
Rajat</p>
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		<title>By: Ralf</title>
		<link>http://webworkerdaily.com/2008/08/08/elance-going-beyond-a-job-bid-site/#comment-302076</link>
		<dc:creator>Ralf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 19:48:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I couldn&#039;t disagree more with the article above. I just had my first test project completed by a developer in Eastern Europe and the quality of work, professionalism, speed and billing rate are all top notch. I have worked extensivey with out sourced workforces around the world and would encourage anyone looking to get high quality work done to take a serious look at Elance.com. A friend of mine had a similarly positive experience with design work I will be back for more. To me this is the eBay of service work and a serious alternative to the old outsourcing model. However, I can see how US resources don&#039;t like it though. I got my work for done for $15 per hour and had a positive experience in every aspect - with the platform as well as the resources</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldn&#8217;t disagree more with the article above. I just had my first test project completed by a developer in Eastern Europe and the quality of work, professionalism, speed and billing rate are all top notch. I have worked extensivey with out sourced workforces around the world and would encourage anyone looking to get high quality work done to take a serious look at Elance.com. A friend of mine had a similarly positive experience with design work I will be back for more. To me this is the eBay of service work and a serious alternative to the old outsourcing model. However, I can see how US resources don&#8217;t like it though. I got my work for done for $15 per hour and had a positive experience in every aspect &#8211; with the platform as well as the resources</p>
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		<title>By: Time Tracking</title>
		<link>http://webworkerdaily.com/2008/08/08/elance-going-beyond-a-job-bid-site/#comment-301920</link>
		<dc:creator>Time Tracking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 12:57:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Likewise, I hadn&#039;t kept an eye on Elance for a while now, but it seems as though it&#039;s time to go back and give it a thorough look see.  Thanks for shining the spotlight on a great product!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Likewise, I hadn&#8217;t kept an eye on Elance for a while now, but it seems as though it&#8217;s time to go back and give it a thorough look see.  Thanks for shining the spotlight on a great product!</p>
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		<title>By: Brad Porteus</title>
		<link>http://webworkerdaily.com/2008/08/08/elance-going-beyond-a-job-bid-site/#comment-301727</link>
		<dc:creator>Brad Porteus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 18:49:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brad from Elance here. 

At first glance it’s easy to overlook the smaller projects that don’t have high dollar amounts -- however, what we see repeatedly on Elance is that many employers generally start small, and often much more meaningful longer term relationships evolve out of these smaller &quot;try-me&quot; projects.

Our advice for professionals looking to build their client base on Elance is to ask questions of the employer during the selection process to get a feel for whether the listing is a one-off project, or maybe the tip of an iceberg for longer term and more lucrative ongoing work. 

We also ran into this blog post this week from an elancer that offered, we think, some nice tips about how to &quot;win a project on Elance&quot;:

http://css-edge.blogspot.com/2008/08/how-to-win-project-on-elance.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brad from Elance here. </p>
<p>At first glance it’s easy to overlook the smaller projects that don’t have high dollar amounts &#8212; however, what we see repeatedly on Elance is that many employers generally start small, and often much more meaningful longer term relationships evolve out of these smaller &#8220;try-me&#8221; projects.</p>
<p>Our advice for professionals looking to build their client base on Elance is to ask questions of the employer during the selection process to get a feel for whether the listing is a one-off project, or maybe the tip of an iceberg for longer term and more lucrative ongoing work. </p>
<p>We also ran into this blog post this week from an elancer that offered, we think, some nice tips about how to &#8220;win a project on Elance&#8221;:</p>
<p><a href="http://css-edge.blogspot.com/2008/08/how-to-win-project-on-elance.html" rel="nofollow">http://css-edge.blogspot.com/2008/08/how-to-win-project-on-elance.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Julie Pippert</title>
		<link>http://webworkerdaily.com/2008/08/08/elance-going-beyond-a-job-bid-site/#comment-301702</link>
		<dc:creator>Julie Pippert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 15:35:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven&#039;t listed on Elance for many of the reasons you cite, and the sealed bids have a lot of cons IMO. I find, though, that, no matter where you go, online paid work is ridiculously underpaying most of the time.

Any comment nets a, &quot;Well lots of people do it for free!&quot;

Thereby revealing the underlying misunderstanding and misconception about the difference between hobby and freelancing. Hobby writing for free (such as on a blog) is doing what I want, how I want, when I want, for myself. Freelancing is doing what someone else wants, the way they want it, when they want it...and it deserves fair compensation like any work.

I am starting to run into editors who are realizing the unsung cost of hiring the people who will accept that low pay: increased editorial time and other issues.

I&#039;m starting to have some people who said no to my &quot;high prices&quot; come back and say &quot;hmm maybe you get what you pay for, and maybe sometimes it&#039;s right to open up to new people at low wages, and maybe sometimes the job needs experience.&quot;

Yes, it&#039;s a spectrum, like any work. There&#039;s a time for entry level and a time for professionals with experience.

So now that my comment is longer than your post (LOL, sorry) I&#039;ll sum up by saying I have hired extremely qualified and fantastic freelancers from Elance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t listed on Elance for many of the reasons you cite, and the sealed bids have a lot of cons IMO. I find, though, that, no matter where you go, online paid work is ridiculously underpaying most of the time.</p>
<p>Any comment nets a, &#8220;Well lots of people do it for free!&#8221;</p>
<p>Thereby revealing the underlying misunderstanding and misconception about the difference between hobby and freelancing. Hobby writing for free (such as on a blog) is doing what I want, how I want, when I want, for myself. Freelancing is doing what someone else wants, the way they want it, when they want it&#8230;and it deserves fair compensation like any work.</p>
<p>I am starting to run into editors who are realizing the unsung cost of hiring the people who will accept that low pay: increased editorial time and other issues.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m starting to have some people who said no to my &#8220;high prices&#8221; come back and say &#8220;hmm maybe you get what you pay for, and maybe sometimes it&#8217;s right to open up to new people at low wages, and maybe sometimes the job needs experience.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, it&#8217;s a spectrum, like any work. There&#8217;s a time for entry level and a time for professionals with experience.</p>
<p>So now that my comment is longer than your post (LOL, sorry) I&#8217;ll sum up by saying I have hired extremely qualified and fantastic freelancers from Elance.</p>
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		<title>By: Marcin Grodzicki</title>
		<link>http://webworkerdaily.com/2008/08/08/elance-going-beyond-a-job-bid-site/#comment-301693</link>
		<dc:creator>Marcin Grodzicki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 13:56:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Elance is really good for outsourcing coding work. You can easily set up an &#039;auction&#039; for your project and you get bids from software companies (from India for example). They also provide &#039;remote legal agreements&#039;, payment processing, invoicing and so on. So it&#039;s a prete comprehensive outsourcing solution I would say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Elance is really good for outsourcing coding work. You can easily set up an &#8216;auction&#8217; for your project and you get bids from software companies (from India for example). They also provide &#8216;remote legal agreements&#8217;, payment processing, invoicing and so on. So it&#8217;s a prete comprehensive outsourcing solution I would say.</p>
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