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		<title>By: BuddyPress : La suite logique</title>
		<link>http://webworkerdaily.com/2008/02/04/dataportability-and-the-web-worker/#comment-290480</link>
		<dc:creator>BuddyPress : La suite logique</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 15:41:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] leurs utilisateurs comme des sharecroppers, cachant leurs mots et images dernier des walled gadens # . Pour reprendre encore un expression Anglais il semble que Matt &#8216;has put his money where his [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Web Worker Daily &#187; Archive Data Portability from Microsoft &#171;</title>
		<link>http://webworkerdaily.com/2008/02/04/dataportability-and-the-web-worker/#comment-290178</link>
		<dc:creator>Web Worker Daily &#187; Archive Data Portability from Microsoft &#171;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:00:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 27th, 2008 (8:00am) Mike Gunderloy No Comments There&#8217;s been a lot of discussion of data portability recently, much of it centered around the question of who owns contact information stored in various [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 27th, 2008 (8:00am) Mike Gunderloy No Comments There&#8217;s been a lot of discussion of data portability recently, much of it centered around the question of who owns contact information stored in various [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Krish</title>
		<link>http://webworkerdaily.com/2008/02/04/dataportability-and-the-web-worker/#comment-287658</link>
		<dc:creator>Krish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 07:21:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is another way I will tackle the issue of making people embrace the idea of data portability. Lemme give an example and explain why data portability is important.

Letz say I regularly hang out in a bar with my friends. Letz say I also make a few friends in that bar. After some time, I want to go to another bar with my friends just for the heck of it or because the bartender in that bar had spit on my booze. If the bar manager says that I can only socialize with my friends in his bar and not take them with me to another bar, does it sound reasonable? Hell no. As long as my friends don&#039;t mind me taking them to another bar, I have every right to take them along. Bar manager or, for that matter, government cannot tell me how and where I should socialize with my friends.

Data Portability in the case of social networks is also analogous to the above example. Facebook or any other social network cannot tell me that I cannot take my friends with me when I leave their social network. Only my friends can tell me if they want to come along or not. The social networks should allow me to take my data with me and also offer my friends a mechanism to say whether they want to come with me or not. As simple as that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is another way I will tackle the issue of making people embrace the idea of data portability. Lemme give an example and explain why data portability is important.</p>
<p>Letz say I regularly hang out in a bar with my friends. Letz say I also make a few friends in that bar. After some time, I want to go to another bar with my friends just for the heck of it or because the bartender in that bar had spit on my booze. If the bar manager says that I can only socialize with my friends in his bar and not take them with me to another bar, does it sound reasonable? Hell no. As long as my friends don&#8217;t mind me taking them to another bar, I have every right to take them along. Bar manager or, for that matter, government cannot tell me how and where I should socialize with my friends.</p>
<p>Data Portability in the case of social networks is also analogous to the above example. Facebook or any other social network cannot tell me that I cannot take my friends with me when I leave their social network. Only my friends can tell me if they want to come along or not. The social networks should allow me to take my data with me and also offer my friends a mechanism to say whether they want to come with me or not. As simple as that.</p>
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		<title>By: links for 2008-02-06 &#124; Ed Tech Hacks</title>
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		<dc:creator>links for 2008-02-06 &#124; Ed Tech Hacks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 23:40:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Web Worker Daily » Archive DataPortability and the Web Worker « &#8230;but it’s unclear to most people what Data Portability is all about. This video seeks to explain the concept in layman’s terms&#8230; (tags: data portability) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Web Worker Daily » Archive DataPortability and the Web Worker « &#8230;but it’s unclear to most people what Data Portability is all about. This video seeks to explain the concept in layman’s terms&#8230; (tags: data portability) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: MikeTheory</title>
		<link>http://webworkerdaily.com/2008/02/04/dataportability-and-the-web-worker/#comment-287570</link>
		<dc:creator>MikeTheory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 20:19:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have resisted creating a profile on all the social networking sites because it just seems like too much work, especially for those of us that take the time to create our own blogs.  This is a new development that I am personally very excited about, please keep us up to date Jason.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have resisted creating a profile on all the social networking sites because it just seems like too much work, especially for those of us that take the time to create our own blogs.  This is a new development that I am personally very excited about, please keep us up to date Jason.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://webworkerdaily.com/2008/02/04/dataportability-and-the-web-worker/#comment-287448</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 01:31:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@hands-on generalist:
I agree with your comments. I feel as a standard, they should keep the only required information that is shared is the user&#039;s Global ID (Open-ID), and e-mail address, and maybe a key to access that information. I always hate all these sites they get users to share their passwords to the account so that they can use the applications API to access and fetch this information. Then what ever site is hosting the Open-ID or global user information, should allow the user to choose which profile (application sites) to allow certain fields of data too share. This concepts allows the user to share what they want, where they want. 

When it comes to privacy on the net the main point is don&#039;t share any information you are not willing to let anyone see, no matter where it is or how safe it is. But how we share that information is something that these concepts can allow to be done much easily.

For instance I wished I could spread my comments from this site to your linked article on your blog. There is already too many linked articles and comments that are going to waste without a shared system like  Eric Atkins (above) was talking about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@hands-on generalist:<br />
I agree with your comments. I feel as a standard, they should keep the only required information that is shared is the user&#8217;s Global ID (Open-ID), and e-mail address, and maybe a key to access that information. I always hate all these sites they get users to share their passwords to the account so that they can use the applications API to access and fetch this information. Then what ever site is hosting the Open-ID or global user information, should allow the user to choose which profile (application sites) to allow certain fields of data too share. This concepts allows the user to share what they want, where they want. </p>
<p>When it comes to privacy on the net the main point is don&#8217;t share any information you are not willing to let anyone see, no matter where it is or how safe it is. But how we share that information is something that these concepts can allow to be done much easily.</p>
<p>For instance I wished I could spread my comments from this site to your linked article on your blog. There is already too many linked articles and comments that are going to waste without a shared system like  Eric Atkins (above) was talking about.</p>
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		<title>By: hands-on generalist</title>
		<link>http://webworkerdaily.com/2008/02/04/dataportability-and-the-web-worker/#comment-287442</link>
		<dc:creator>hands-on generalist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 23:41:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh by the way, webworkerdaily,  I find the comments text box a bit smallish (I&#039;m too verbose, more likely ;), and where is the option to edit my post in case I muck up the &lt;em&gt; tags?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh by the way, webworkerdaily,  I find the comments text box a bit smallish (I&#8217;m too verbose, more likely ;), and where is the option to edit my post in case I muck up the &lt;em&gt; tags?</p>
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		<title>By: hands-on generalist</title>
		<link>http://webworkerdaily.com/2008/02/04/dataportability-and-the-web-worker/#comment-287441</link>
		<dc:creator>hands-on generalist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 23:37:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric Atkins, you have a point. You feed data about you (your thoughts and comments) into applications (forums, blogs, social webs), and lose ownership immediately. Re-use and control are out of the window the moment you feed data into an application.


The more I learn about DataPortability, the more warped
the concept seems to me. About the walled garden: You should 
indeed not be forced to fork your data over to the many
application providers and then be at their mercy. The ability to
migrate your (?) data from one application to another is just
spreading the problem to different &#039;gardens&#039;. I was expecting a
total different sort of initiative altogether, one that seems
much more logical (at least to me).

In my view, your data should just be your data (about you),
molded in your own fashion and stored on a provider of your
choice; no application is involved at this point, it&#039;s just a
generic data store, so that&#039;s pretty useless by itself (Oh
really?).  However, once there is a generic way to precisely
&lt;em&gt;address&lt;/em&gt; and &lt;em&gt;disclose&lt;/em&gt; bits of your data to other
identities (such as your friends or application providers), things will happen.
Application providers which are allowed to read your data can provide fun and meaningful ways to  interact with your data, and that of others. They don&#039;t own it, they just fetch it when needed,
like you fetch a web page when you need it. (They could cache it,
but if its dynamic data, that&#039;s of no use. Moreover, why cache if
you can fetch anytime again and again whenever they need?).

So, my ideal world view is a bit different, I suppose. My data is
designed and stored the way I want it. I can disclose bits of it
to application providers and other people. 

To get there, things need to be built that do not exist yet, but
they are founded on top of well-known concepts. Addressable
resources (like http://my.dataserver.com/first/name) are
feasible. (maybe it wouldn&#039;t be http but something else). Semantic agreement and disclosure (or not) on a property by
property basis between two identities is sort of new, but there&#039;s
a lot of stuff out there that could be used. 

In this situation, applications would use &lt;em&gt;your&lt;/em&gt; data, for as
long as you see fit. You retain control over the data that
describes you.

Please read more of my thoughts on http://egosphere.blogspot.com
and help create a user centric system instead of the application
centric DataPortability. It has every concept exactly the wrong
way around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric Atkins, you have a point. You feed data about you (your thoughts and comments) into applications (forums, blogs, social webs), and lose ownership immediately. Re-use and control are out of the window the moment you feed data into an application.</p>
<p>The more I learn about DataPortability, the more warped<br />
the concept seems to me. About the walled garden: You should<br />
indeed not be forced to fork your data over to the many<br />
application providers and then be at their mercy. The ability to<br />
migrate your (?) data from one application to another is just<br />
spreading the problem to different &#8216;gardens&#8217;. I was expecting a<br />
total different sort of initiative altogether, one that seems<br />
much more logical (at least to me).</p>
<p>In my view, your data should just be your data (about you),<br />
molded in your own fashion and stored on a provider of your<br />
choice; no application is involved at this point, it&#8217;s just a<br />
generic data store, so that&#8217;s pretty useless by itself (Oh<br />
really?).  However, once there is a generic way to precisely<br />
<em>address</em> and <em>disclose</em> bits of your data to other<br />
identities (such as your friends or application providers), things will happen.<br />
Application providers which are allowed to read your data can provide fun and meaningful ways to  interact with your data, and that of others. They don&#8217;t own it, they just fetch it when needed,<br />
like you fetch a web page when you need it. (They could cache it,<br />
but if its dynamic data, that&#8217;s of no use. Moreover, why cache if<br />
you can fetch anytime again and again whenever they need?).</p>
<p>So, my ideal world view is a bit different, I suppose. My data is<br />
designed and stored the way I want it. I can disclose bits of it<br />
to application providers and other people. </p>
<p>To get there, things need to be built that do not exist yet, but<br />
they are founded on top of well-known concepts. Addressable<br />
resources (like <a href="http://my.dataserver.com/first/name)" rel="nofollow">http://my.dataserver.com/first/name)</a> are<br />
feasible. (maybe it wouldn&#8217;t be http but something else). Semantic agreement and disclosure (or not) on a property by<br />
property basis between two identities is sort of new, but there&#8217;s<br />
a lot of stuff out there that could be used. </p>
<p>In this situation, applications would use <em>your</em> data, for as<br />
long as you see fit. You retain control over the data that<br />
describes you.</p>
<p>Please read more of my thoughts on <a href="http://egosphere.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://egosphere.blogspot.com</a><br />
and help create a user centric system instead of the application<br />
centric DataPortability. It has every concept exactly the wrong<br />
way around.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Atkins</title>
		<link>http://webworkerdaily.com/2008/02/04/dataportability-and-the-web-worker/#comment-287439</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Atkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 22:24:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Imagine being able to look at every comment that you&#039;ve left on a blog or forum.  Why can&#039;t you have an online tool that shows you the comments you have made (regardless if you actually own that data or not).  

I think it would be a powerful way to connect your past online web presence with your current web presence.  

So much of Web 2.0 is focused on the _now_ and the _future_.  But...

What if we could extend Web 2.0 into the past?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Imagine being able to look at every comment that you&#8217;ve left on a blog or forum.  Why can&#8217;t you have an online tool that shows you the comments you have made (regardless if you actually own that data or not).  </p>
<p>I think it would be a powerful way to connect your past online web presence with your current web presence.  </p>
<p>So much of Web 2.0 is focused on the _now_ and the _future_.  But&#8230;</p>
<p>What if we could extend Web 2.0 into the past?</p>
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		<title>By: Judi Sohn</title>
		<link>http://webworkerdaily.com/2008/02/04/dataportability-and-the-web-worker/#comment-287438</link>
		<dc:creator>Judi Sohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 22:22:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Ran. I fixed the URL.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Ran. I fixed the URL.</p>
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		<title>By: Ran</title>
		<link>http://webworkerdaily.com/2008/02/04/dataportability-and-the-web-worker/#comment-287436</link>
		<dc:creator>Ran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 21:22:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>great writeup! The video URL is broken (delete http from the URL to view)

Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>great writeup! The video URL is broken (delete http from the URL to view)</p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
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