Comments on: Who Protects Your Cloud Data? http://webworkerdaily.com/2008/01/13/who-protects-your-cloud-data/ Rebooting the workforce Wed, 17 Mar 2010 22:54:14 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: albuquerque security guard company http://webworkerdaily.com/2008/01/13/who-protects-your-cloud-data/#comment-294351 albuquerque security guard company Mon, 05 May 2008 17:34:08 +0000 http://webworkerdaily.wordpress.com/2008/01/13/who-protects-your-cloud-data/#comment-294351 <p>Data storage is really important but often overlooked.</p> Data storage is really important but often overlooked.

]]> By: Brian Carnell http://webworkerdaily.com/2008/01/13/who-protects-your-cloud-data/#comment-285476 Brian Carnell Wed, 16 Jan 2008 16:33:03 +0000 http://webworkerdaily.wordpress.com/2008/01/13/who-protects-your-cloud-data/#comment-285476 <p>Mike Stankavich wrote:</p> <p>"Maybe I’m paranoid or a pre-web Luddite, but I can’t stand the thought of not having an offline backup of any data that has personal or business significance to me. Vendors going out of business and extended connectivity outages are risks that I am not willing to accept.</p> <p>External drives are so cheap now that there’s really no excuse left to not have everything backed up at least two or three times locally. My local Costco has 250gb Western Digital passport drives for $139.99."</p> <p>Something like Amazon S3 with multiple backup sites is <em>far</em> less risky than your system of backing up to external HDs.</p> <p>Don't get me wrong, I also back up to external HDs and then swap between home and office. I also regularly back up my data files to optical media.</p> <p>But Amazon is likely much more reliable than both of those, especially in the case of natural disasters such as Hurricane Katrina where having multiple backups in different locations isn't all that helpful if the entire area turns into a disaster zone.</p> Mike Stankavich wrote:

“Maybe I’m paranoid or a pre-web Luddite, but I can’t stand the thought of not having an offline backup of any data that has personal or business significance to me. Vendors going out of business and extended connectivity outages are risks that I am not willing to accept.

External drives are so cheap now that there’s really no excuse left to not have everything backed up at least two or three times locally. My local Costco has 250gb Western Digital passport drives for $139.99.”

Something like Amazon S3 with multiple backup sites is far less risky than your system of backing up to external HDs.

Don’t get me wrong, I also back up to external HDs and then swap between home and office. I also regularly back up my data files to optical media.

But Amazon is likely much more reliable than both of those, especially in the case of natural disasters such as Hurricane Katrina where having multiple backups in different locations isn’t all that helpful if the entire area turns into a disaster zone.

]]> By: Marc Reidy http://webworkerdaily.com/2008/01/13/who-protects-your-cloud-data/#comment-284335 Marc Reidy Tue, 15 Jan 2008 13:57:54 +0000 http://webworkerdaily.wordpress.com/2008/01/13/who-protects-your-cloud-data/#comment-284335 <p>Perhaps this is more for medium/large business but they really need to take responsibility for their own data. There are plenty of web based file systems our there (I'll not mention my own...just click the link :) and really thats what businesses should be looking at if they have no confidence in outsourcing their data storage.</p> Perhaps this is more for medium/large business but they really need to take responsibility for their own data. There are plenty of web based file systems our there (I’ll not mention my own…just click the link :) and really thats what businesses should be looking at if they have no confidence in outsourcing their data storage.

]]> By: Rajeev http://webworkerdaily.com/2008/01/13/who-protects-your-cloud-data/#comment-284225 Rajeev Tue, 15 Jan 2008 12:13:25 +0000 http://webworkerdaily.wordpress.com/2008/01/13/who-protects-your-cloud-data/#comment-284225 <p>I didnt know there was no inbuilt Backup option.</p> <p>http://tekno-world.blogspot.com</p> I didnt know there was no inbuilt Backup option.

http://tekno-world.blogspot.com

]]> By: angry omnidrive user http://webworkerdaily.com/2008/01/13/who-protects-your-cloud-data/#comment-284182 angry omnidrive user Tue, 15 Jan 2008 11:19:04 +0000 http://webworkerdaily.wordpress.com/2008/01/13/who-protects-your-cloud-data/#comment-284182 <p>So that someone can pull the reason of some "high TTL" excuse.</p> <p>Anyway, did they change the IP address? It's the same 75.126.5.64 before and after.</p> So that someone can pull the reason of some “high TTL” excuse.

Anyway, did they change the IP address? It’s the same 75.126.5.64 before and after.

]]> By: craigbbaker http://webworkerdaily.com/2008/01/13/who-protects-your-cloud-data/#comment-284150 craigbbaker Tue, 15 Jan 2008 10:36:28 +0000 http://webworkerdaily.wordpress.com/2008/01/13/who-protects-your-cloud-data/#comment-284150 <p>Why is it necessary to change an IP address to fix a failed hard drive? One wonders!</p> Why is it necessary to change an IP address to fix a failed hard drive? One wonders!

]]> By: Omnidrive Back Up Comment http://webworkerdaily.com/2008/01/13/who-protects-your-cloud-data/#comment-283888 Omnidrive Back Up Comment Tue, 15 Jan 2008 04:48:04 +0000 http://webworkerdaily.wordpress.com/2008/01/13/who-protects-your-cloud-data/#comment-283888 <p><b>No Responses to Website Server Back Up</b> Your User Says: <b>Your comment is awaiting moderation.</b></p> <p><b>January 14th, 2008 at 8:34 pm</b> <b>No RAID? So unreliable!</b></p> <p><i><b>In response to:</b></i> http://www.omnidrive.com/blog/2008/01/13/website-server-back-up/</p> <blockquote> Posted on January 13th, 2008 by nik The main server that hosts this website (which is seperate from the application and storage servers that run Omnidrive) had a hard drive fail, went offline and was down for a period. We had a new server up within hours and we restored backups of the site, and it is up-and-running again. I am really sorry for the inconvenience to our users of not being able to access the main site, although the actual Omnidrive servers were not affected at all and you would not have had any problems accessing your accounts. We are creating a second instance of the website now so that we have a failover. The website has been up almost every minute since we launched, and is rather basic (Wordpress) . Update: The server is at a new IP address and the old DNS record had a high TTL, so it is taking some time to propagate. It should be all done by now, but it did result in some clients not being able to access the server for a while </blockquote> No Responses to Website Server Back Up Your User Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation.

January 14th, 2008 at 8:34 pm No RAID? So unreliable!

In response to: http://www.omnidrive.com/blog/2008/01/13/website-server-back-up/

Posted on January 13th, 2008 by nik The main server that hosts this website (which is seperate from the application and storage servers that run Omnidrive) had a hard drive fail, went offline and was down for a period. We had a new server up within hours and we restored backups of the site, and it is up-and-running again. I am really sorry for the inconvenience to our users of not being able to access the main site, although the actual Omnidrive servers were not affected at all and you would not have had any problems accessing your accounts. We are creating a second instance of the website now so that we have a failover. The website has been up almost every minute since we launched, and is rather basic (WordPress) . Update: The server is at a new IP address and the old DNS record had a high TTL, so it is taking some time to propagate. It should be all done by now, but it did result in some clients not being able to access the server for a while
]]> By: bsdguru http://webworkerdaily.com/2008/01/13/who-protects-your-cloud-data/#comment-283500 bsdguru Mon, 14 Jan 2008 18:36:41 +0000 http://webworkerdaily.wordpress.com/2008/01/13/who-protects-your-cloud-data/#comment-283500 <p>One thing that is a bit annoying for me is that both bingodisk and strongspace are down at the moment. Apparently Joyent are currently having issues with zfs. Basically means users cannot access their backups or static content at the moment.</p> One thing that is a bit annoying for me is that both bingodisk and strongspace are down at the moment. Apparently Joyent are currently having issues with zfs. Basically means users cannot access their backups or static content at the moment.

]]> By: JPack http://webworkerdaily.com/2008/01/13/who-protects-your-cloud-data/#comment-283416 JPack Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:46:28 +0000 http://webworkerdaily.wordpress.com/2008/01/13/who-protects-your-cloud-data/#comment-283416 <p>Great article... I was one of those angry mis-treated omnidrive users for a long time, but I was lucky and copied/removed all my data from Omnidrive and was able to get a refund after constant persistence about 2 days before they went down!</p> <p>Now I have moved to using JungleDisk with Amazon, and so far I am very pleased. I have much more confidence in Amazon, but I plan on using a secondary source for backup as well just in case (probably Mozy). Not to mention daily back-ups to a NAS just in case. I also keep a box.net account for my Word/Excel documents. I have been with Box.net for over 2 years and I have had zero problems, but I don't use them for my bigger backups.</p> <p>I learned the hard way, others should not have to.</p> Great article… I was one of those angry mis-treated omnidrive users for a long time, but I was lucky and copied/removed all my data from Omnidrive and was able to get a refund after constant persistence about 2 days before they went down!

Now I have moved to using JungleDisk with Amazon, and so far I am very pleased. I have much more confidence in Amazon, but I plan on using a secondary source for backup as well just in case (probably Mozy). Not to mention daily back-ups to a NAS just in case. I also keep a box.net account for my Word/Excel documents. I have been with Box.net for over 2 years and I have had zero problems, but I don’t use them for my bigger backups.

I learned the hard way, others should not have to.

]]> By: Mike Stankavich http://webworkerdaily.com/2008/01/13/who-protects-your-cloud-data/#comment-283389 Mike Stankavich Mon, 14 Jan 2008 14:29:12 +0000 http://webworkerdaily.wordpress.com/2008/01/13/who-protects-your-cloud-data/#comment-283389 <p>Maybe I'm paranoid or a pre-web Luddite, but I can't stand the thought of not having an offline backup of any data that has personal or business significance to me. Vendors going out of business and extended connectivity outages are risks that I am not willing to accept.</p> <p>External drives are so cheap now that there's really no excuse left to not have everything backed up at least two or three times locally. My local Costco has 250gb Western Digital passport drives for $139.99.</p> <p>At some point in the future I may consider using cloud storage as an additional form of offsite redundancy. But for now, I just rotate two external drives between home and a locked file cabinet at my office.</p> Maybe I’m paranoid or a pre-web Luddite, but I can’t stand the thought of not having an offline backup of any data that has personal or business significance to me. Vendors going out of business and extended connectivity outages are risks that I am not willing to accept.

External drives are so cheap now that there’s really no excuse left to not have everything backed up at least two or three times locally. My local Costco has 250gb Western Digital passport drives for $139.99.

At some point in the future I may consider using cloud storage as an additional form of offsite redundancy. But for now, I just rotate two external drives between home and a locked file cabinet at my office.

]]> By: angry omnidrive user http://webworkerdaily.com/2008/01/13/who-protects-your-cloud-data/#comment-283037 angry omnidrive user Mon, 14 Jan 2008 04:57:25 +0000 http://webworkerdaily.wordpress.com/2008/01/13/who-protects-your-cloud-data/#comment-283037 <p>stupid jerk, where's that liar?</p> stupid jerk, where’s that liar?

]]> By: JungleDave http://webworkerdaily.com/2008/01/13/who-protects-your-cloud-data/#comment-282860 JungleDave Sun, 13 Jan 2008 23:52:40 +0000 http://webworkerdaily.wordpress.com/2008/01/13/who-protects-your-cloud-data/#comment-282860 <p>Amazon doesn't disclose a lot of internals about S3 for security and competitive reasons, but they have stated before that all data is stored in at least 3 different datacenters in at least 2 geographic areas (e.g. east/west/central). They are pretty serious about data security as well as availability.</p> Amazon doesn’t disclose a lot of internals about S3 for security and competitive reasons, but they have stated before that all data is stored in at least 3 different datacenters in at least 2 geographic areas (e.g. east/west/central). They are pretty serious about data security as well as availability.

]]> By: K. T. Stevenson http://webworkerdaily.com/2008/01/13/who-protects-your-cloud-data/#comment-282782 K. T. Stevenson Sun, 13 Jan 2008 22:02:31 +0000 http://webworkerdaily.wordpress.com/2008/01/13/who-protects-your-cloud-data/#comment-282782 <p>Using online storage providers for primary storage is asking for trouble. Even if it is backed by a large company, priorities change and that large company may decided to close down the service. I use online storage providers to store encrypted off-site backups and nothing else.</p> <p>This issue applies more broadly to Web 2.0 applications in general. If my business relies on a web-based service, what happens if that service goes out of business? Always create a contingency plan and always create your own (local!) backups of any data stored on the web.</p> Using online storage providers for primary storage is asking for trouble. Even if it is backed by a large company, priorities change and that large company may decided to close down the service. I use online storage providers to store encrypted off-site backups and nothing else.

This issue applies more broadly to Web 2.0 applications in general. If my business relies on a web-based service, what happens if that service goes out of business? Always create a contingency plan and always create your own (local!) backups of any data stored on the web.

]]> By: thorgersen http://webworkerdaily.com/2008/01/13/who-protects-your-cloud-data/#comment-282738 thorgersen Sun, 13 Jan 2008 20:48:09 +0000 http://webworkerdaily.wordpress.com/2008/01/13/who-protects-your-cloud-data/#comment-282738 <p>I use Mozy as well as daily (or more often) backups to a removable disk drive, stored onsite. Doubtful (though not impossible !!!) that the computer,onsite backups, and offsite backups are all inaccessible at the same time.</p> I use Mozy as well as daily (or more often) backups to a removable disk drive, stored onsite. Doubtful (though not impossible !!!) that the computer,onsite backups, and offsite backups are all inaccessible at the same time.

]]> By: Rick http://webworkerdaily.com/2008/01/13/who-protects-your-cloud-data/#comment-282695 Rick Sun, 13 Jan 2008 19:37:43 +0000 http://webworkerdaily.wordpress.com/2008/01/13/who-protects-your-cloud-data/#comment-282695 <p>There's a difference between a backup storage provider and one where you're creating the master copies of your documents in the cloud. If the online storage service is merely being your backup provider you've lost nothing if they go away - you just have to find a new online backup service. A hassle, maybe, but the risk is minimal for a week or so if you don't backup and there are several other options out there.</p> <p>If you're creating master copies of your documents in the cloud... well you STILL need to have a backup strategy. Not so much because your files might be stored on one drive and lost, but because they might become inaccessible. It's the exact same issue as backing up local data - your data is all in one place, what if that place suddenly is not accessible?</p> There’s a difference between a backup storage provider and one where you’re creating the master copies of your documents in the cloud. If the online storage service is merely being your backup provider you’ve lost nothing if they go away – you just have to find a new online backup service. A hassle, maybe, but the risk is minimal for a week or so if you don’t backup and there are several other options out there.

If you’re creating master copies of your documents in the cloud… well you STILL need to have a backup strategy. Not so much because your files might be stored on one drive and lost, but because they might become inaccessible. It’s the exact same issue as backing up local data – your data is all in one place, what if that place suddenly is not accessible?

]]> By: YDRIVE http://webworkerdaily.com/2008/01/13/who-protects-your-cloud-data/#comment-282681 YDRIVE Sun, 13 Jan 2008 19:11:59 +0000 http://webworkerdaily.wordpress.com/2008/01/13/who-protects-your-cloud-data/#comment-282681 <p>YDRIVE will let you select your own and/or preferred backend storage provider. Available soon.</p> YDRIVE will let you select your own and/or preferred backend storage provider. Available soon.

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