Untrue. That claim (and all other findings of fact) prevailed. Only the remedies were overturned on appeal.

Have you watched Microsoft’s actual testimony?

Only if a community of companies and standards organisations agree on it. This is the most important point in de jure standards, they don’t follow the whim of ONE more or less predictable company or person, which simplifies communication.

“Test Firefox/Mozilla and Safari too, you’ll be surprised!”

Be sure that i have already concerning Firefox, however I haven’t found it as much lamentable as IE7 in its result.

Also “A de facto standard is a technical or other standard that is so dominant that everybody seems to follow it like an authorized standard.”

“In computing, de facto standards can sometimes become de jure standards due to their share of the relevant market.”

cf. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_facto#Standards

Yeah of course but try that test with IE and Opera to help you ponder that “argument””

Test Firefox/Mozilla and Safari too, you’ll be surprised!

Mike Gunderloy said:
“Sensi, I’m well aware that Opera does much better than IE on acid2. And I’ve made it abundantly clear elsewhere that I’m no fan of Microsoft. Be that as it may, I’m even less a fan of having the courts tell me what technology to use and how to use it.”

Then you’ve not understood the purpose of *de jure* standards (de facto standards should not use the word “standard” at all), or why monopoly power is so dangerous.

When a dominant company like Microsoft encourage their customers to use their own dataformats, javascript, HTML tags and attributes then they are abusing that power they have, the unique advantage which they are not allowed to use because it stifles or even kills competition, the whole market even.

As you may understand is a lot at stake, a lot of jobs, tax-money in many countries and of course our ability to communicate is threatened which I think is the worst.

God bless US of A for many things but the yankees have a lot to learn about the responsibilities a state should have and take good care of.

BTW sorry if i sounded rude. ;)

Yeah of course but try that test with IE and Opera to help you ponder that “argument”.

http://www.webstandards.org/action/acid2/

“speaking as a web developer, I do not believe that I want the courts stepping in to determine what standards must be implemented in shipping products.”

Yeah “as a web developer” i guess you just love to have the microsoft bugs and mis-implementations being the defacto standards for the web rather than the W3C ones?
How many tens or hundreds of hours have we lost to fix -mostly- IE crap in our webdesign?
Enough of this sh!t.

I love Opera. It has been my browser of choice for nearly 10 years. It is incredible that such a blistering tool has a tiny market share and has driven pure browser innovation for a looooong time.

FF is a swiss army knife, ie is a follower, safari is well mac-able, not more.

A browser is such a basic tool & invisible to drones that are scared to mess with (and greying IT managers won’t mess with) hence only 20% FF takeup. The “blue e” is ubiquitous and probably responsible for many billions of dollars of lost productivity through its sloth and “come hack me” lure. For clients use only.

Opera are the great hope for cellphones and their exe-exe-exellent mini browser is coriander to the iphone’s curry paste.