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	<title>Comments on: Open Thread: Do Rich Internet Applications Matter to You?</title>
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		<title>By: Fuensefub</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fuensefub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 10:18:58 +0000</pubDate>
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My computer worked slowly, too much errors. Please, help me to fix errors on my PC.<br />
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		<title>By: People Over Process &#187; Day 2 Hightlights from the Adobe Industry Analyst Summit</title>
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		<dc:creator>People Over Process &#187; Day 2 Hightlights from the Adobe Industry Analyst Summit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 21:37:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] cost in time and money to get highly usable UIs against the benefits you get from that work. The &#8220;poor internet application&#8221; bunch likes to jump in here, and it&#8217;s classic passionate, young developer vs. grizzled, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Pure-Essence.Net &#187; adobe flex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pure-Essence.Net &#187; adobe flex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 05:30:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] interesting note. the two sides of RIA  Do we really need it? vs. Why [...]</description>
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		<title>By: FunnsFurmentsGood</title>
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		<dc:creator>FunnsFurmentsGood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 07:10:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi all! 
 
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		<title>By: Robert Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2007 20:35:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi all,

     I may be late on this one and I may repeat something that&#039;s been said before, but I do believe RIA&#039;s matter.  I don&#039;t think they matter in the traditional sense of surfing the web and finding cool apps.  Where RIA&#039;s should (and probably do) matter most is in the business world of intranet apps.  
    RIA&#039;s take all the advantages the web has to offer (ex. one stop updates for developers) and merge it with the advantages of desktop apps.  
    With silverlight and/or flex, you can build an app that runs on the client, is less intense on the server than traditional html, has smaller chunks of data going across the network and can  persist data.  These apps run in a browser, are cross-platform compatible, and can be updated by changing the files in one place.
    If you are a business owner and need an app to track internals, I don&#039;t see how you could choose anything else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi all,</p>
<p>     I may be late on this one and I may repeat something that&#8217;s been said before, but I do believe RIA&#8217;s matter.  I don&#8217;t think they matter in the traditional sense of surfing the web and finding cool apps.  Where RIA&#8217;s should (and probably do) matter most is in the business world of intranet apps.<br />
    RIA&#8217;s take all the advantages the web has to offer (ex. one stop updates for developers) and merge it with the advantages of desktop apps.<br />
    With silverlight and/or flex, you can build an app that runs on the client, is less intense on the server than traditional html, has smaller chunks of data going across the network and can  persist data.  These apps run in a browser, are cross-platform compatible, and can be updated by changing the files in one place.<br />
    If you are a business owner and need an app to track internals, I don&#8217;t see how you could choose anything else.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich Internet Applications</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich Internet Applications</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2007 20:05:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Do Rich Internet Applications Matter to You?&lt;/strong&gt;

Anne Zelenka discusses whether Rich Internet Applications even matter.  A nice discussion ensues.</description>
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<p>Anne Zelenka discusses whether Rich Internet Applications even matter.  A nice discussion ensues.</p>
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		<title>By: Computing webified a bit too much</title>
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		<dc:creator>Computing webified a bit too much</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2007 11:08:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Check out this article on how much RIA matters to the common man [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Sho</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 17:29:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Anne. Great thread.

My viewpoint (surprise!) is that RIAs are going to be more and more important over time, and that this trend is inevitable.

In some ways, I wish we&#039;d never used the word &quot;rich,&quot; when describing RIAs, because people associate it with things like gratuitous animations. Yes, I expect RIAs to be highly visual, but only to the extent that it promotes usability and effective understanding.

HTML-based applications are not going to go away in the foreseeable future, but there are limits to what you can do effectively with an HTML-based UI. For more UI intensive applications, I believe that RIA technologies such as Flex and Silverlight will allow you to create applications that are just not possible with HTML. If you haven&#039;t seen it yet, try to get on the Buzzword alpha. It is pretty mind-blowing, and it is just one of the early examples of what we have in store over the next five years as people experiment with the new technologies.

-Sho (Adobe)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Anne. Great thread.</p>
<p>My viewpoint (surprise!) is that RIAs are going to be more and more important over time, and that this trend is inevitable.</p>
<p>In some ways, I wish we&#8217;d never used the word &#8220;rich,&#8221; when describing RIAs, because people associate it with things like gratuitous animations. Yes, I expect RIAs to be highly visual, but only to the extent that it promotes usability and effective understanding.</p>
<p>HTML-based applications are not going to go away in the foreseeable future, but there are limits to what you can do effectively with an HTML-based UI. For more UI intensive applications, I believe that RIA technologies such as Flex and Silverlight will allow you to create applications that are just not possible with HTML. If you haven&#8217;t seen it yet, try to get on the Buzzword alpha. It is pretty mind-blowing, and it is just one of the early examples of what we have in store over the next five years as people experiment with the new technologies.</p>
<p>-Sho (Adobe)</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 13:49:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If people don&#039;t care about richness then why the heck people do care about the iPhone???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If people don&#8217;t care about richness then why the heck people do care about the iPhone???</p>
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		<title>By: RIA pedia - Rich Internet Applications - Its all about the user experience!</title>
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		<dc:creator>RIA pedia - Rich Internet Applications - Its all about the user experience!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 13:32:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Why care about rich Internet applications?&lt;/strong&gt;

There&#039;s an interesting discussion this morning on a few tech focused blogs about whether or not rich Internet applications matter.  Anne Zelenka posted her thoughts at Web Worker Daily to get the discussion going, and many people have chimed in, inclu...</description>
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<p>There&#8217;s an interesting discussion this morning on a few tech focused blogs about whether or not rich Internet applications matter.  Anne Zelenka posted her thoughts at Web Worker Daily to get the discussion going, and many people have chimed in, inclu&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Anderson&#8217;s ITWriting - Tech writing blog &#187; Why Rich Internet Applications Matter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Anderson&#8217;s ITWriting - Tech writing blog &#187; Why Rich Internet Applications Matter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 09:54:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Rich Internet Applications Matter   By Tim Anne Zelenka is sceptical about RIAs: The idea is that we need more rich interactivity from our browser apps than they give us. But is [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Don Burnett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Burnett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 04:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I have a tendancy to agree with you for a web application that not all applications need to be RIAs. You seem to be forgetting that Microsoft started out by adding a lot of this &quot;WPF&quot; technology to regular Windows Applications. 

Remember what happened when people first got fonts or typefaces in their computers? A lot of documents looked like a ransome note for a while. Then style won out. I would just say that a lot of this is happening with RIA. We&#039;ll see a lot of graphically crazy apps then reality will set in and things will be toned down somewhat. But like typefaces, since then we&#039;ve always had them. 

I tend to think that history will find good uses for the technology and the ones that aren&#039;t will not be with us long (it&#039;s called attrition).

Anyway, my view is we are on the cusp of something here, so people should just start looking out for the randsome notes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I have a tendancy to agree with you for a web application that not all applications need to be RIAs. You seem to be forgetting that Microsoft started out by adding a lot of this &#8220;WPF&#8221; technology to regular Windows Applications. </p>
<p>Remember what happened when people first got fonts or typefaces in their computers? A lot of documents looked like a ransome note for a while. Then style won out. I would just say that a lot of this is happening with RIA. We&#8217;ll see a lot of graphically crazy apps then reality will set in and things will be toned down somewhat. But like typefaces, since then we&#8217;ve always had them. </p>
<p>I tend to think that history will find good uses for the technology and the ones that aren&#8217;t will not be with us long (it&#8217;s called attrition).</p>
<p>Anyway, my view is we are on the cusp of something here, so people should just start looking out for the randsome notes.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 03:05:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would love to have the snappy experience of a RIA in a desktop application. Especially, because I don&#039;t have internet at home. Meaning I won&#039;t be able to check mail with gmail or use buzzword or writely to edit/write documents. And knowing that such sites have my documents on their server isn&#039;t a nice feeling neither. Brrr .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would love to have the snappy experience of a RIA in a desktop application. Especially, because I don&#8217;t have internet at home. Meaning I won&#8217;t be able to check mail with gmail or use buzzword or writely to edit/write documents. And knowing that such sites have my documents on their server isn&#8217;t a nice feeling neither. Brrr .</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn Feiner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glenn Feiner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 00:01:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marl,  I agree on most of the points.  I think there were several posts that are implying it is DHTML vs FLEX/FLASH, SilverLight, etc...  I think the most successful websites in the near future will incorporate a mix of technologies, using FLASH only were needed.  YouTube is a prime example of this.

Another point to be made (again, mentioned above) is the speed at which the application can be built.  Javascript programming is dependant on the browser.  Time is needed to debug across at least the three mostly used browsers (IE7,IE6,Firfefox).  That still leaves the others out there.  There a few great javascript frameworks out there that help, but I would not feel comfortable releasing anything without testing across the platforms.  FLASH/FLEX runs in the flash plug-in, installed on 98% of the PCs out there.  I&#039;m just getting started with FLEX, but it is pretty straight forward. 

My 2 cents....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marl,  I agree on most of the points.  I think there were several posts that are implying it is DHTML vs FLEX/FLASH, SilverLight, etc&#8230;  I think the most successful websites in the near future will incorporate a mix of technologies, using FLASH only were needed.  YouTube is a prime example of this.</p>
<p>Another point to be made (again, mentioned above) is the speed at which the application can be built.  Javascript programming is dependant on the browser.  Time is needed to debug across at least the three mostly used browsers (IE7,IE6,Firfefox).  That still leaves the others out there.  There a few great javascript frameworks out there that help, but I would not feel comfortable releasing anything without testing across the platforms.  FLASH/FLEX runs in the flash plug-in, installed on 98% of the PCs out there.  I&#8217;m just getting started with FLEX, but it is pretty straight forward. </p>
<p>My 2 cents&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Anne Zelenka</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anne Zelenka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 22:19:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marl: at WWD, we write for a tech-centric crowd and we don&#039;t consider them abnormal. Starting a discussion based on technology is useful. There are paradigmatic differences in web-native vs. desktop-like apps; it may not be a simple continuum as you propose. I think most techie types can shift between the user interface view and the technology-under-the-covers view with ease. In some cases it doesn&#039;t matter, but in the case of DHTML and the others, it does -- because you are nudged towards certain interface styles by DHTML that Flash/Silverlight won&#039;t support and vice versa.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marl: at WWD, we write for a tech-centric crowd and we don&#8217;t consider them abnormal. Starting a discussion based on technology is useful. There are paradigmatic differences in web-native vs. desktop-like apps; it may not be a simple continuum as you propose. I think most techie types can shift between the user interface view and the technology-under-the-covers view with ease. In some cases it doesn&#8217;t matter, but in the case of DHTML and the others, it does &#8212; because you are nudged towards certain interface styles by DHTML that Flash/Silverlight won&#8217;t support and vice versa.</p>
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		<title>By: David Fre</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Fre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 21:49:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Both Gliffy as Floorplanner are flashbased as far as I know</description>
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