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]]> By: Jim Haapapuro http://webworkerdaily.com/2007/05/02/the-vacation-dilemma/#comment-280343 Jim Haapapuro Fri, 11 Jan 2008 08:46:53 +0000 http://webworkerdaily.com/2007/05/02/the-vacation-dilemma/#comment-280343 What do most people complain or argue about when planning on taking a vacation? thank you What do most people complain or argue about when planning on taking a vacation? thank you

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]]> By: Neal Watzman http://webworkerdaily.com/2007/05/02/the-vacation-dilemma/#comment-59372 Neal Watzman Wed, 09 May 2007 11:19:37 +0000 http://webworkerdaily.com/2007/05/02/the-vacation-dilemma/#comment-59372 Vacations are important to help people refresh and energize. Those of us working for ourselves often have the luxury of coming in late or taking Fridays off (which I often do). I'm finding as I do this a lot more that this is not enough to refresh me. I need more consecutive time off. I've had my consulting practice for 20 years on June 1, and take a week or two every year. I've gotten used to "not getting a paycheck" as that's built into my model. And discovered my clients don't mind at all, I let myself be reachable by email and have responded. But it's rare. Last year was the best year I have had in many many years. It was a good thing, but I was beat by the end of the year, and still am. I'd love a month off, but maybe that's a stretch. Vacations are important to help people refresh and energize. Those of us working for ourselves often have the luxury of coming in late or taking Fridays off (which I often do). I’m finding as I do this a lot more that this is not enough to refresh me. I need more consecutive time off.

I’ve had my consulting practice for 20 years on June 1, and take a week or two every year. I’ve gotten used to “not getting a paycheck” as that’s built into my model. And discovered my clients don’t mind at all, I let myself be reachable by email and have responded. But it’s rare.

Last year was the best year I have had in many many years. It was a good thing, but I was beat by the end of the year, and still am. I’d love a month off, but maybe that’s a stretch.

]]> By: Dan Moore http://webworkerdaily.com/2007/05/02/the-vacation-dilemma/#comment-58260 Dan Moore Mon, 07 May 2007 22:52:10 +0000 http://webworkerdaily.com/2007/05/02/the-vacation-dilemma/#comment-58260 Having your laptop with you in Paris is not a vacation. I sometimes think about work on vacations, but to me the definition of a vacation is that you don't *have* to think about work. Hey, if you want to work all the time, or feel you need to, go ahead. I understand the desire and the fear. I try to take at least 4 weeks off a year. I've been working for myself for almost 4 years. In the beginning, my 'vacations' seemed to take place at the end of contracts. I'd have some time until the next one started, and take some time off (not necessarily leaving my hometown, but not working). Those weren't exactly worry free vacations, and I did do some marketing, mostly emails to folks asking if they needed my help. Now that I have some regular clients and am busier, I need to schedule the vacations in advance. I just pick the times plenty early, let all my clients know (repeatedly) and stick to the dates. It helps that I like to vacation in places that don't have any Internet access (southern Utah, for example). Brad: I understand your situation, but is a week or two out of circulation really going to affect future jobs? If so, I'd suggest taking more Fridays off. 2 Fridays off a month is 5 weeks of vacation a year. Having your laptop with you in Paris is not a vacation.

I sometimes think about work on vacations, but to me the definition of a vacation is that you don’t *have* to think about work.

Hey, if you want to work all the time, or feel you need to, go ahead. I understand the desire and the fear.

I try to take at least 4 weeks off a year. I’ve been working for myself for almost 4 years. In the beginning, my ‘vacations’ seemed to take place at the end of contracts. I’d have some time until the next one started, and take some time off (not necessarily leaving my hometown, but not working). Those weren’t exactly worry free vacations, and I did do some marketing, mostly emails to folks asking if they needed my help.

Now that I have some regular clients and am busier, I need to schedule the vacations in advance. I just pick the times plenty early, let all my clients know (repeatedly) and stick to the dates. It helps that I like to vacation in places that don’t have any Internet access (southern Utah, for example).

Brad: I understand your situation, but is a week or two out of circulation really going to affect future jobs? If so, I’d suggest taking more Fridays off. 2 Fridays off a month is 5 weeks of vacation a year.

]]> By: Mathias http://webworkerdaily.com/2007/05/02/the-vacation-dilemma/#comment-56903 Mathias Sat, 05 May 2007 13:07:32 +0000 http://webworkerdaily.com/2007/05/02/the-vacation-dilemma/#comment-56903 I'm with Sean, I need time off. I usually do that during longer trips. As a freelancer this usually means not getting a paycheck, but I can live with that. From my working past I learned that it is more important to take care of yourself than working your ass off. I ruined my back already, doing that. And it was not worth it. A longer vacation away from the computer makes me want to do my job again. I come back with fresh ideas, a fresh mind, and with newly gained strength. I’m with Sean, I need time off. I usually do that during longer trips. As a freelancer this usually means not getting a paycheck, but I can live with that. From my working past I learned that it is more important to take care of yourself than working your ass off. I ruined my back already, doing that. And it was not worth it.

A longer vacation away from the computer makes me want to do my job again. I come back with fresh ideas, a fresh mind, and with newly gained strength.

]]> By: Nancy http://webworkerdaily.com/2007/05/02/the-vacation-dilemma/#comment-55933 Nancy Fri, 04 May 2007 01:37:38 +0000 http://webworkerdaily.com/2007/05/02/the-vacation-dilemma/#comment-55933 Sorry! I did not mean to plunge everyone into the depths of despair with my first comment. That was definitely during the recession in 2000 and those WERE startups that did the laying off. I guess what I'm saying is, if you are afraid to take time off from your company because you think you will be seen as non-essential, then you are definitely NOT at the right place. I know many people that are afraid of taking vacation or think they are heroic (?!) because they are at work all the time. That sort of mentality is encouraged in the work place. Another issue is that we don't necessarily get two weeks a year, as it's whittled down from various three day weekends, etc. I've taken a nice long vacation in between jobs. As long as the economy is good, you can just jump back into things when you are done relaxing. :-) Sorry! I did not mean to plunge everyone into the depths of despair with my first comment. That was definitely during the recession in 2000 and those WERE startups that did the laying off. I guess what I’m saying is, if you are afraid to take time off from your company because you think you will be seen as non-essential, then you are definitely NOT at the right place. I know many people that are afraid of taking vacation or think they are heroic (?!) because they are at work all the time. That sort of mentality is encouraged in the work place. Another issue is that we don’t necessarily get two weeks a year, as it’s whittled down from various three day weekends, etc. I’ve taken a nice long vacation in between jobs. As long as the economy is good, you can just jump back into things when you are done relaxing. :-)

]]> By: Sean http://webworkerdaily.com/2007/05/02/the-vacation-dilemma/#comment-55791 Sean Thu, 03 May 2007 19:51:30 +0000 http://webworkerdaily.com/2007/05/02/the-vacation-dilemma/#comment-55791 I'm on the opposite side of the spectrum. I NEED time off completely away from work. I am lucky enough to get 4 weeks paid each year in the 4 years with my current employer, I have taken all my time every year. Aside from the fact that travel makes me feel like a more well rounded individual, I find that it really does recharge my batteries. I come back excited to dive back into the field, sometimes with new ideas or a new perspective. Just to make you jealuous in the last couple years I've gone to Mexico, Costa Rica (twice), England, Ireland, California, backpacking in Southern Utah (twice) and New York (yes those are all exotic destinations if you live in Central Ohio ) :) I’m on the opposite side of the spectrum. I NEED time off completely away from work. I am lucky enough to get 4 weeks paid each year in the 4 years with my current employer, I have taken all my time every year.

Aside from the fact that travel makes me feel like a more well rounded individual, I find that it really does recharge my batteries. I come back excited to dive back into the field, sometimes with new ideas or a new perspective. Just to make you jealuous in the last couple years I’ve gone to Mexico, Costa Rica (twice), England, Ireland, California, backpacking in Southern Utah (twice) and New York (yes those are all exotic destinations if you live in Central Ohio ) :)

]]> By: Betsy http://webworkerdaily.com/2007/05/02/the-vacation-dilemma/#comment-55734 Betsy Thu, 03 May 2007 16:51:10 +0000 http://webworkerdaily.com/2007/05/02/the-vacation-dilemma/#comment-55734 Like many others, I find it hard to take time of since that means NO PAYCHECK. Plus, there's no one to pick up the slack with my clients -- I'd feel bad abandoning them for anything more that a week. But I'm definitely of the opinion that a week is not enough -- it takes me that long to decompress. It's really quite sad! Like many others, I find it hard to take time of since that means NO PAYCHECK. Plus, there’s no one to pick up the slack with my clients — I’d feel bad abandoning them for anything more that a week. But I’m definitely of the opinion that a week is not enough — it takes me that long to decompress.

It’s really quite sad!

]]> By: Scott G http://webworkerdaily.com/2007/05/02/the-vacation-dilemma/#comment-55455 Scott G Thu, 03 May 2007 01:58:01 +0000 http://webworkerdaily.com/2007/05/02/the-vacation-dilemma/#comment-55455 I used to live in Canada and was taught to 'feel bad' about wanting time off, and not to take even more the two weeks consecutively as that was just indulgent. North America is really wrong about all of that attitude. I now live in Australia where I get 4 weeks minimum and I am a lot happier with life and with putting more effort into my work on a daily basis. Work is not all there is out there, but when you are there you should feel like your life is balanced enough that you can get into it and enjoy or be good at what you do. Not just burned out and bitter. I used to live in Canada and was taught to ‘feel bad’ about wanting time off, and not to take even more the two weeks consecutively as that was just indulgent. North America is really wrong about all of that attitude.

I now live in Australia where I get 4 weeks minimum and I am a lot happier with life and with putting more effort into my work on a daily basis. Work is not all there is out there, but when you are there you should feel like your life is balanced enough that you can get into it and enjoy or be good at what you do.

Not just burned out and bitter.

]]> By: Brad http://webworkerdaily.com/2007/05/02/the-vacation-dilemma/#comment-55358 Brad Wed, 02 May 2007 23:10:56 +0000 http://webworkerdaily.com/2007/05/02/the-vacation-dilemma/#comment-55358 I've moved from working in an understaffed office to working for myself. And while I could take paid vacations at my old job, there rarely seemed to be a good time to do so without having a huge stack of work waiting for me when I came back. Now that I'm a freelance writer, if I don't work I don't get paid, so not only is it hard to find time to take off for vacation, I often find myself working on weekends. The funny thing is, I'm making more money than I did at my full-time job, so I probably could afford to take some time off, but I can never shake the feeling that when I come back in a week or two there won't be any work waiting for me. Maybe in a few years I'll get used to this freelancing lifestyle and learn how to manage my time a little better. I’ve moved from working in an understaffed office to working for myself. And while I could take paid vacations at my old job, there rarely seemed to be a good time to do so without having a huge stack of work waiting for me when I came back.

Now that I’m a freelance writer, if I don’t work I don’t get paid, so not only is it hard to find time to take off for vacation, I often find myself working on weekends.

The funny thing is, I’m making more money than I did at my full-time job, so I probably could afford to take some time off, but I can never shake the feeling that when I come back in a week or two there won’t be any work waiting for me.

Maybe in a few years I’ll get used to this freelancing lifestyle and learn how to manage my time a little better.

]]> By: rick gregory http://webworkerdaily.com/2007/05/02/the-vacation-dilemma/#comment-55284 rick gregory Wed, 02 May 2007 20:04:53 +0000 http://webworkerdaily.com/2007/05/02/the-vacation-dilemma/#comment-55284 OK, the 2nd comment first... depending on the laws in your state, that may be illegal. Even if not, I simply do not believe that a good, valued employee will be fired for taking a vacation. There's more there I think. To the first comment - if you're starting a company, yeah the first couple of years will be at best working vacations. But if that's a year in and year out thing, something is wrong. Either you're not delegating, you're understaffed or you're kidding yourself about your need to always be in touch. Look at it this way - what if you got hit by the proverbial bus? If the company would really fail or badly flounder, you need to take a hard look at things. Mike - I think web workers are bad at this because of the always on nature of our work environment, plus the social pressures... "you're NOT on Twitter? Maybe you're not as on the edge as you think." ... "You DO update your blog from your Blackberry, right? No? Hmm..." OK, the 2nd comment first… depending on the laws in your state, that may be illegal. Even if not, I simply do not believe that a good, valued employee will be fired for taking a vacation. There’s more there I think.

To the first comment – if you’re starting a company, yeah the first couple of years will be at best working vacations. But if that’s a year in and year out thing, something is wrong. Either you’re not delegating, you’re understaffed or you’re kidding yourself about your need to always be in touch. Look at it this way – what if you got hit by the proverbial bus? If the company would really fail or badly flounder, you need to take a hard look at things.

Mike – I think web workers are bad at this because of the always on nature of our work environment, plus the social pressures… “you’re NOT on Twitter? Maybe you’re not as on the edge as you think.” … “You DO update your blog from your Blackberry, right? No? Hmm…”

]]> By: Nerd Guru http://webworkerdaily.com/2007/05/02/the-vacation-dilemma/#comment-55279 Nerd Guru Wed, 02 May 2007 19:55:09 +0000 http://webworkerdaily.com/2007/05/02/the-vacation-dilemma/#comment-55279 I hear what the first couple of comments are saying, but I really think <a href="http://nerdguru.blogspot.com/2006/11/making-yourself-easy-to-be-scheduled_8268.html" rel="nofollow">you owe it to yourself and to your team</a> to take some time off every once in awhile. A cranky employee is an unproductive employee. Maybe all it takes is a 3 or 4 day weekend but everybody needs to recharge the batteries now and then. I'm pretty sure your work world won't collapse without you and if they want to fire you for taking the time, maybe that's not a place you want to be anyway. I hear what the first couple of comments are saying, but I really think you owe it to yourself and to your team to take some time off every once in awhile. A cranky employee is an unproductive employee. Maybe all it takes is a 3 or 4 day weekend but everybody needs to recharge the batteries now and then. I’m pretty sure your work world won’t collapse without you and if they want to fire you for taking the time, maybe that’s not a place you want to be anyway.

]]> By: Nancy http://webworkerdaily.com/2007/05/02/the-vacation-dilemma/#comment-55238 Nancy Wed, 02 May 2007 18:24:26 +0000 http://webworkerdaily.com/2007/05/02/the-vacation-dilemma/#comment-55238 I think many people are afraid to vacation. Sadly enough, I've been laid off twice immediately following a vacation. I also had an ex-coworker who was fired last week. He had taken a vacation earlier in April. Coincidence? Probably not. Sure, they give us two weeks a year, but many companies don't want you to ever take 'em. I think many people are afraid to vacation. Sadly enough, I’ve been laid off twice immediately following a vacation. I also had an ex-coworker who was fired last week. He had taken a vacation earlier in April. Coincidence? Probably not.

Sure, they give us two weeks a year, but many companies don’t want you to ever take ‘em.

]]> By: Amie Gillingham http://webworkerdaily.com/2007/05/02/the-vacation-dilemma/#comment-55203 Amie Gillingham Wed, 02 May 2007 17:19:56 +0000 http://webworkerdaily.com/2007/05/02/the-vacation-dilemma/#comment-55203 Given the size of our company, every vacation is a working vacation, so while we do get out and away, we're limited to locations with wifi. Thankfully, a lot of rental properties are hip to this and we're seeing it being touted more regularly in rental adverts. That being said, I can't wait to take my kids to the beach later this year. Given the size of our company, every vacation is a working vacation, so while we do get out and away, we’re limited to locations with wifi. Thankfully, a lot of rental properties are hip to this and we’re seeing it being touted more regularly in rental adverts. That being said, I can’t wait to take my kids to the beach later this year.

]]> By: Serge Lescouarnec http://webworkerdaily.com/2007/05/02/the-vacation-dilemma/#comment-55200 Serge Lescouarnec Wed, 02 May 2007 17:12:19 +0000 http://webworkerdaily.com/2007/05/02/the-vacation-dilemma/#comment-55200 Mike I am guilty of not taking vacations myself. I used to when I lived in Europe. As I was reminded while reading a copy I just received of 'The 4 Hour Workweek' in the US we tend to focus too much on face time and how hard we work (how many hours). Maybe we need to reconsider and think about 'smart' work instead and unplug from time to time. As for the length of a vacation, you really need at least 2 weeks, one to decompress, one to relax and rest. Serge Blog: http://www.sergetheconcierge.com Biz: http://www.njconcierges.com Mike

I am guilty of not taking vacations myself.
I used to when I lived in Europe.
As I was reminded while reading a copy I just received of ‘The 4 Hour Workweek’ in the US we tend to focus too much on face time and how hard we work (how many hours).
Maybe we need to reconsider and think about ’smart’ work instead and unplug from time to time.
As for the length of a vacation, you really need at least 2 weeks, one to decompress, one to relax and rest.

Serge
Blog:
http://www.sergetheconcierge.com
Biz:
http://www.njconcierges.com

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